now, there are many americans who justifiably, sanjay, think that we've got to get our spending under control. the problem with these forced budget cuts is that they are ham-fisted. they are -- they are using a sledgehammer where you need a stiletto. some of the things you described that are going to be cut are not the things that we should be cutting. there are probably other places we can cut. and keep in mind, only a very small portion of the federal budget is what you call discretionary. the things you can cut. everything else is mandatory, and most of that isn't going to get affected. so even though the cuts are -- don't seem that big, they're all out of a smaller portion of the budget. so everybody is going to feel this. there are going to be jobs lost, in addition to all of the things you've just described. >> talk about the job loss. jake, let me ask, obviously, i approach this from a health angle. is this real money we're talking about? because those are big numbers, certainly, in the health world. if you think about $1.5 billion in the nih, that hurts. is that real money, or